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Buckaroo Banzai
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Ravage
2009-04-16 13:39:21 UTC
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I've always wondered how many Doc Savage fans are also fans of
Buckaroo Banzai...

How about Richard Benson, The Avenger?

Ravage
Kent Allard
2009-04-16 13:51:52 UTC
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Post by Ravage
I've always wondered how many Doc Savage fans are also fans of
Buckaroo Banzai...
How about Richard Benson, The Avenger?
I loved the movie, but I was predisposed toward it since all my friends had seen
it before me and loved it.

As for the Avenger, I always liked the concept, but I read the books and then
gave them away. The execution just wasn't there for me.
Chris
2009-04-17 05:08:56 UTC
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Greetings,
Post by Ravage
I've always wondered how many Doc Savage fans are also fans of
Buckaroo Banzai...
How about Richard Benson, The Avenger?
Ravage
Well....Buckaroo Banzai, obviously.

Between the cast, all of which I knew from previous works, and the
very Doc-like sound of the characters I was pretty much a fan before I
ever saw the movie.

My only experience with the Avenger was back when I was hitting the
local Book Exchanges every week to add to my Bantam Doc collection. I
saw another paperback by Kenneth Robeson and picked it up. It was so
obviously not written by Lester Dent I'm not even sure if I finished
it. I certainly never picked up another.

I need to give him another chance one of these days but there's so
much more on my "need to read" list I don't know when I'll be able to
start digging them up.

Meanwhile, I've managed to snag a few of the Spider paperbacks lately
and really enjoy those.


Chris
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Dave
2009-04-17 16:32:31 UTC
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Not me; not a fan of either.

BUCKAROO BANZAI seemed like contrived stupidity, with B List actors
chewing scenary.

THE AVENGER never seemed to have any personality to it, and the plots
weren't good enough or wild enough to hook me. Plus I drew the line
when he "named" his knife and pistol.

Dave
David Genda
2009-04-19 17:59:50 UTC
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Didn't MIKE HAMMER have a name for his gun or am I misremembering.
"Misremembering" means I could be very very wrong.

Gideon
Post by Dave
Not me; not a fan of either.
BUCKAROO BANZAI seemed like contrived stupidity, with B List actors
chewing scenary.
THE AVENGER never seemed to have any personality to it, and the plots
weren't good enough or wild enough to hook me. Plus I drew the line
when he "named" his knife and pistol.
Dave
Anim8rFSK
2009-04-20 04:40:42 UTC
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Post by David Genda
Didn't MIKE HAMMER have a name for his gun or am I misremembering.
"Quick"?
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"He'll succumb to all who find
DOC SAVAGE! DOC SAVAGE!"

Hey, that's what we THOUGHT the words were,
first time we saw the movie in the theater . . .
Merlindo
2009-04-20 16:20:35 UTC
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Post by Dave
Not me; not a fan of either.
BUCKAROO BANZAI seemed like contrived stupidity, with B List actors
chewing scenary.
THE AVENGER never seemed to have any personality to it, and the plots
weren't good enough or wild enough to hook me.  Plus I drew the line
when he "named" his knife and pistol.
Dave
Well, I have to admit, I'm a great fan of Buckaroo Banzai. I loved
the high-camp of the character. Doc Savage sure has outlasted
Buckaroo, though. I agree with you that Richard Benson, The Avenger,
was a pale comparison to Doc Savage. As I mentioned earlier, I was
taken in by the house name, Kenneth Robeson, when The Avenger was
first released, so I kept reading them hoping they would get better.
"The Avenger" didn't last very long.

Ravage
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2009-04-20 17:02:39 UTC
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Post by Merlindo
Post by Dave
Not me; not a fan of either.
BUCKAROO BANZAI seemed like contrived stupidity, with B List actors
chewing scenary.
THE AVENGER never seemed to have any personality to it, and the plots
weren't good enough or wild enough to hook me.  Plus I drew the line
when he "named" his knife and pistol.
Dave
Well, I have to admit, I'm a great fan of Buckaroo Banzai. I loved
the high-camp of the character. Doc Savage sure has outlasted
Buckaroo, though. I agree with you that Richard Benson, The Avenger,
was a pale comparison to Doc Savage. As I mentioned earlier, I was
taken in by the house name, Kenneth Robeson, when The Avenger was
first released, so I kept reading them hoping they would get better.
"The Avenger" didn't last very long.
Ravage
Though it was popular enough to commission *new* stories by Ron Goulart in
the 1970s (still writing as Robeson, of course).

Ted
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Merlindo
2009-04-21 20:10:59 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Merlindo
"The Avenger" didn't last very long.
Ravage
Though it was popular enough to commission *new* stories by Ron Goulart in
the 1970s (still writing as Robeson, of course).
Yeah, as much as I respect Ron Goulart, I didn't think that he really
captured the spirit of The Avenger, either. I remember back when I
was first reading them, that they no longer has the "originally
published in 19xx" line in them! I was actually surprised to realize
they were writing new stories.
Kent Allard
2009-04-20 17:21:58 UTC
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Post by Merlindo
I agree with you that Richard Benson, The Avenger,
was a pale comparison to Doc Savage.
Bwah ha ha ha ha!

(pale comparison) snicker
Merlindo
2009-04-20 16:16:45 UTC
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On Apr 17, 1:08 am, Chris <***@diespaminator.com> wrote:
re: The Avenger
Post by Chris
My only experience with the Avenger was back when I was hitting the
local Book Exchanges every week to add to my Bantam Doc collection. I
saw another paperback by Kenneth Robeson and picked it up. It was so
obviously not written by Lester Dent I'm not even sure if I finished
it. I certainly never picked up another.
At the time they came out, Lester Dent was not in the popular culture,
the only name we knew back in the 70's was "Kenneth Robeson", so when
I saw "The Avenger" by the creator of Doc Savage, I bought it
immediately. Fell in love with the idea of a plastic-faced hero and
his motley crew. At the time, I couldn't understand how they stories
could be so poorly written!! It was much later that I discovered that
NO ONE involved in Doc Savage was part of the Avenger writing staff.
Still, I bought them. I have them all. As I mentioned in an earlier
post, I'm hoping "The Avenger Chronicles" give him a much needed
classy treatment.

Ravage
Chuck Michael
2009-04-20 19:09:46 UTC
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At the time they came out, Lester Dent was not in the popular culture,
the only name we knew back in the 70's was "Kenneth Robeson", so when
I saw "The Avenger" by the creator of Doc Savage, I bought it
immediately. Fell in love with the idea of a plastic-faced hero and
his motley crew. At the time, I couldn't understand how they stories
could be so poorly written!! It was much later that I discovered that
NO ONE involved in Doc Savage was part of the Avenger writing staff.
Still, I bought them. I have them all. As I mentioned in an earlier
post, I'm hoping "The Avenger Chronicles" give him a much needed
classy treatment.

Ravage

The Avenger Chronicles is a fair book. As in most anthologies is ranges
from great to poor. It mostly stays true to the characters but is a bit
more brooding than the originals.

Chuck
Victor De Long
2009-04-21 18:53:02 UTC
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Good or bad, I was very pleased to find a complete set of the Avenger
paperback series at $3 apiece last year at a used book store. Having them
all appeals to my completist mentality. I'll admit, though, that they
haven't made their way through and off my "gonna read those someday" list.
Post by Merlindo
At the time they came out, Lester Dent was not in the popular culture,
the only name we knew back in the 70's was "Kenneth Robeson", so when
I saw "The Avenger" by the creator of Doc Savage, I bought it
immediately. Fell in love with the idea of a plastic-faced hero and
his motley crew. At the time, I couldn't understand how they stories
could be so poorly written!! It was much later that I discovered that
NO ONE involved in Doc Savage was part of the Avenger writing staff.
Still, I bought them. I have them all. As I mentioned in an earlier
post, I'm hoping "The Avenger Chronicles" give him a much needed
classy treatment.
Ravage
The Avenger Chronicles is a fair book. As in most anthologies is ranges
from great to poor. It mostly stays true to the characters but is a bit
more brooding than the originals.
Chuck
Merlindo
2009-04-21 20:13:21 UTC
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Post by Victor De Long
Good or bad, I was very pleased to find a complete set of the Avenger
paperback series at $3 apiece last year at a used book store.  Having them
all appeals to my completist mentality.  I'll admit, though, that they
haven't made their way through and off my "gonna read those someday" list.
Haha, I don't want to tell you how much I paid for the last three I
needed to complete my collection.

By the way, did you know that DC (I think) comics also put out an
"Avenger" comic book? I think that it only lasted 3 issues. (I have
them, I just don't remember how many issues it ran.... it wasn't very
many!)

Ravage
Kent Allard
2009-04-22 12:48:22 UTC
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Post by Merlindo
By the way, did you know that DC (I think) comics also put out an
"Avenger" comic book? I think that it only lasted 3 issues. (I have
them, I just don't remember how many issues it ran.... it wasn't very
many!)
From Wikipedia

In 1975, DC Comics published a comic called Justice, Inc. The comic only lasted
4 issues.

In 1989, DC released a two-issue miniseries, in 52-page prestige format, written
by Andy Helfer and penciled and inked by Kyle Baker, titled Justice, Inc.. The
mini-series revealed the 'truth' behind the Avenger's origin.


I never liked the character that much (although I did like the concept of the
rubber-faced man) so I am among the few people who enjoyed the 1989 miniseries.
I haven't read it again since I first bought it, so I can't say that it hold up
now. I've found a lot of things that I liked on the first read just didn't hold
up a few years later (including some Doc Savage novels).
Dave
2009-04-22 16:25:54 UTC
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found a lot of things that I liked on the first read just didn't hold
Post by Kent Allard
up a few years later (including some Doc Savage novels).
You can't Go Home Again:

THE HARDY BOYS
TOM SWIFT, JR. (although I do enoy the original TOM SWIFT)
any sports book you read as a kid
JAWS (the movie was so much better)
Tom Clancy
Alistar MacLean
Anim8rFSK
2009-04-23 06:02:03 UTC
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In article
Post by Kent Allard
found a lot of things that I liked on the first read just didn't hold
Post by Kent Allard
up a few years later (including some Doc Savage novels).
THE HARDY BOYS
TOM SWIFT, JR. (although I do enoy the original TOM SWIFT)
any sports book you read as a kid
JAWS (the movie was so much better)
Tom Clancy
Alistar MacLean
There are 5 Tom Swift series now, and much more. You are cordially
invited to our discussion group:

http://www.tomswift.info/
--
"He'll succumb to all who find
DOC SAVAGE! DOC SAVAGE!"

Hey, that's what we THOUGHT the words were,
first time we saw the movie in the theater . . .
Merlindo
2009-04-21 20:11:27 UTC
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The Avenger Chronicles is a fair book.  As in most anthologies is ranges
from great to poor.  It mostly stays true to the characters but is a bit
more brooding than the originals.
Chuck
I'm looking forward to reading them!
Victor De Long
2009-04-22 16:30:51 UTC
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There's an old adage that the golden age of anything is 12, meaning
basically whatever is out at the time that you hit awareness of it is going
to seem like the high point of it. I love the 70's DCs (Superman, Batman,
etc) more than any other era because I was a kid in the early 70s.

With that, I wonder if I would love the Doc Savage books as much now if I
hadn't discovered them at just the right age for them to strike a chord with
me, and at the same I wonder if I had read the Avenger books when I was 7
(which is roughly when I stumbled across the Bantam Lost Oasis in the messy
chaos at the bottom of my cousin's closet) if I would have fallen for them
too.

On a slightly related note, we've just moved into a new, much bigger house,
and with that comes a new, much bigger library for me, actually separate
from the house in what was meant to be guest quarters. It's roughly double
the size of the old one and I'm in the process right now of mounting
bookcases on the walls. Next, I'll run bookcases back to back in parallels
down the middle, which should actually triple the amount of books I can fit
in there. Soon, I'll have the joy of opening the hundreds of boxes that I
packed away a few months ago and putting them all back up on the shelves. I
feel like a kid at Christmas time!
The Avenger Chronicles is a fair book. As in most anthologies is ranges
from great to poor. It mostly stays true to the characters but is a bit
more brooding than the originals.
Chuck
I'm looking forward to reading them!
Dave
2009-04-22 23:31:36 UTC
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 Soon, I'll have the joy of opening the hundreds of boxes that I
packed away a few months ago and putting them all back up on the shelves.  I
feel like a kid at Christmas time!
I love it/ I get this every year when i get the books out from after
Christmas decorating

dave
Skylab
2009-04-23 17:57:37 UTC
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Buckaroo, certainly. A modern classic that, like Doc, promised, yet never
saw, a sequel.

The Avenger was certainly an excellent concept, that I suppose was hoped to
become as popular as Doc. After all, they had a few similar details in their
love of gadgets, adventure, and went out of their way not to take a life
(Doc's mercy bullets, and Benson's ability to knock someone out by creasing
the skull with a bullet fired from just about any angle). And the female
accomplice like The Shadow's Margo Lane.

Sounds like an interesting topic if some fan fiction writer wanted to
explore Benson's fate. Any takers?

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Post by Ravage
I've always wondered how many Doc Savage fans are also fans of
Buckaroo Banzai...
How about Richard Benson, The Avenger?
Ravage
Kent Allard
2009-04-23 18:40:47 UTC
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Post by Skylab
Buckaroo, certainly. A modern classic that, like Doc, promised, yet never
saw, a sequel.
I read somewhere that the movie made enough money to warrant a sequel. All the
cast were signed for the second movie, but a producer, or someone like that,
walked off with the money.

Ah, found it...

http://www.figmentfly.com/bb/sequel.html
Chris
2009-04-24 01:37:16 UTC
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:40:47 -0400, Kent Allard
Post by Kent Allard
Post by Skylab
Buckaroo, certainly. A modern classic that, like Doc, promised, yet never
saw, a sequel.
I read somewhere that the movie made enough money to warrant a sequel. All the
cast were signed for the second movie, but a producer, or someone like that,
walked off with the money.
Ah, found it...
http://www.figmentfly.com/bb/sequel.html
Ah yes...such a tangled web. Obviously the work of the minions of
Hanoi Xan.

Luckily the brave souls at Moonstone Books (the same ones that brought
us the Doc radio script book and the Avenger Chronicles and the Spider
Chronicles and other anthologies with Zorro and the Phantom and soon
the Green Hornet and.....) have taken up the call and been printing BB
comics with stories from original writer Earl Mac Rauch.


Chris
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Dave
2009-04-25 12:37:35 UTC
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Ron Goulart wrote the classic 1960s dystopian AFTER THINGS FELL APART,
but often, in both his own work and his ghost jobs, he was just
mailing it in.

dave

Chuck Michael
2009-04-23 20:40:35 UTC
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Post by Skylab
Buckaroo, certainly. A modern classic that, like Doc, promised, yet never
saw, a sequel.
The Avenger was certainly an excellent concept, that I suppose was hoped
to become as popular as Doc. After all, they had a few similar details in
their love of gadgets, adventure, and went out of their way not to take a
life (Doc's mercy bullets, and Benson's ability to knock someone out by
creasing the skull with a bullet fired from just about any angle). And the
female accomplice like The Shadow's Margo Lane.
Sounds like an interesting topic if some fan fiction writer wanted to
explore Benson's fate. Any takers?
It's been done in The Avenger Chronicles.

Chuck
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