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Anim8rFSK
2011-08-02 13:47:20 UTC
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OK, I see the similarities. But does Doc Savage lobotomize his
criminals too?
Doc lobotomized Captain Seas at the end of the 1975 film. For his own
good, of course.
Thanks. I've somehow managed to have never seen that movie. I think I
saw part of the opening where the main character is on an ice covered
mountain or something. But I may have my movies mixed up. Maybe that
was the Dr. Strange movie.
No, that's Doc Savage. It starts out at his Fortress of Solitude at the
North Pole.

The Doctor Strange movie ... damn, that came close to being good. If
they'd just stuck closer to the source material. But when you have
idiots rechristening "The Ancient One" as "Lin-Mer" (gosh, I wonder who
THAT could be???) you know you're in trouble. And I understand not
doing a costume at all, but doing a different, worse costume?
Especially given that people had already done Doctor Strange costumes
for Comic-Con, and they looked great.

There's a fan edit of Doc that's pretty good, discussed elsewhere on
rec.arts.movies.past-films, and a new version on the way.
--
"Please, I can't die, I've never kissed an Asian woman!"
Shego on "Shat My Dad Says"
Arthur Lipscomb
2011-08-02 15:43:31 UTC
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Post by Anim8rFSK
OK, I see the similarities. But does Doc Savage lobotomize his
criminals too?
Doc lobotomized Captain Seas at the end of the 1975 film. For his own
good, of course.
Thanks. I've somehow managed to have never seen that movie. I think I
saw part of the opening where the main character is on an ice covered
mountain or something. But I may have my movies mixed up. Maybe that
was the Dr. Strange movie.
No, that's Doc Savage. It starts out at his Fortress of Solitude at the
North Pole.
The Doctor Strange movie ... damn, that came close to being good. If
they'd just stuck closer to the source material. But when you have
idiots rechristening "The Ancient One" as "Lin-Mer" (gosh, I wonder who
THAT could be???) you know you're in trouble. And I understand not
doing a costume at all, but doing a different, worse costume?
Especially given that people had already done Doctor Strange costumes
for Comic-Con, and they looked great.
There's a fan edit of Doc that's pretty good, discussed elsewhere on
rec.arts.movies.past-films, and a new version on the way.
I'm pretty sure I never saw the Doctor Strange movie either. And
neither is available from Netflix.

I did see, Doctor Mordrid, a Doctor Strange rip off staring Jeffrey
Combs. It's one of those Full Moon movies from back when they were at
least *trying* to be entertaining.



http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Doctor_Mordrid/70105593?trkid=2361637
Anim8rFSK
2011-08-05 15:31:52 UTC
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Post by Anim8rFSK
OK, I see the similarities. But does Doc Savage lobotomize his
criminals too?
Doc lobotomized Captain Seas at the end of the 1975 film. For his own
good, of course.
Thanks. I've somehow managed to have never seen that movie. I think I
saw part of the opening where the main character is on an ice covered
mountain or something. But I may have my movies mixed up. Maybe that
was the Dr. Strange movie.
No, that's Doc Savage. It starts out at his Fortress of Solitude at the
North Pole.
The Doctor Strange movie ... damn, that came close to being good. If
they'd just stuck closer to the source material. But when you have
idiots rechristening "The Ancient One" as "Lin-Mer" (gosh, I wonder who
THAT could be???) you know you're in trouble. And I understand not
doing a costume at all, but doing a different, worse costume?
Especially given that people had already done Doctor Strange costumes
for Comic-Con, and they looked great.
There's a fan edit of Doc that's pretty good, discussed elsewhere on
rec.arts.movies.past-films, and a new version on the way.
I'm pretty sure I never saw the Doctor Strange movie either. And
neither is available from Netflix.
May be just as well. Dr. Strange just screams 'low budget' and 'pilot'
and '1970s' and 'why the Hell didn't they read the comic book?

In the original Strange is a skilled surgeon who loses the fine use of
his hands after a drunken car wreck, and seeks out the mystic arts
searching for a cure. So the first thing they do is make Strange a
psychiatrist ... and the whole premise is already off the rails, with
them improving nothing. With the aforementioned Lin-Mer and Jessica
Walter as Morgan LeFay because ... Strange has nothing to do with
Camelot.

I've NEVER figured out what the heck they were trying to do with Doc
Savage. It's like they tried to give him the Batman 1966 treatment, a
decade too late. It's hard to tell where it went wrong, too, because
the major stupid stuff (the villain's henchman sleeps in a giant crib,
for no reason whatsoever?) may or may not have been in the script (I
have no idea why you'd WRITE that). I dunno if it was intended to be
the film it ended up and nobody noticed that this was a BAD idea, or if
the director decided to go wacky, or maybe there was a meddling art
director that got too much power and screwed stuff up, like the guy
who's responsible for all the crapfestation that infected the various
Irwin Allen shows the minute Irwin's attention turned to the next
project. The guy that wrote it had next to no credentials but
apparently knew George Pal. The director ... should have known better,
but did a lot of stuff I wanted to like during his career, but pretty
much nothing I actually DID like.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
I did see, Doctor Mordrid, a Doctor Strange rip off staring Jeffrey
Combs. It's one of those Full Moon movies from back when they were at
least *trying* to be entertaining.
http://youtu.be/jo8GlVM1RUc
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Doctor_Mordrid/70105593?trkid=2361637
Hey, I watched that. Probably 'cause Yvette Nipar was in it.
--
"Please, I can't die, I've never kissed an Asian woman!"
Shego on "Shat My Dad Says"
Professor Bubba
2011-08-05 17:46:49 UTC
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Post by Anim8rFSK
I've NEVER figured out what the heck they were trying to do with Doc
Savage. It's like they tried to give him the Batman 1966 treatment, a
decade too late. It's hard to tell where it went wrong, too, because
the major stupid stuff (the villain's henchman sleeps in a giant crib,
for no reason whatsoever?) may or may not have been in the script (I
have no idea why you'd WRITE that). I dunno if it was intended to be
the film it ended up and nobody noticed that this was a BAD idea, or if
the director decided to go wacky, or maybe there was a meddling art
director that got too much power and screwed stuff up, like the guy
who's responsible for all the crapfestation that infected the various
Irwin Allen shows the minute Irwin's attention turned to the next
project. The guy that wrote it had next to no credentials but
apparently knew George Pal. The director ... should have known better,
but did a lot of stuff I wanted to like during his career, but pretty
much nothing I actually DID like.
Doc Savage killed George Pal's career. (It hadn't been doing so well
before then, either.) Pal's next project was Time Machine II, a
confused continuation of the original Rod Taylor film. All we have of
it are a few concept sketches and a novelization of the proposed
screenplay. It's so poor that I'm thinking Pal was depending on favors
(such as friends writing screenplays and novelizations for him on the
cuff) at the end.

The Time Machine II novelization did finally answer the question of
which three books George had brought with him at the end of the
original film. They were practical books on agriculture and mechanics
and so on. (I remember my mom saying one of them would be the Bible.
Nope. The Eloi dodged that bullet.)
Anim8rFSK
2011-08-05 20:33:15 UTC
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Post by Anim8rFSK
I've NEVER figured out what the heck they were trying to do with Doc
Savage. It's like they tried to give him the Batman 1966 treatment, a
decade too late. It's hard to tell where it went wrong, too, because
the major stupid stuff (the villain's henchman sleeps in a giant crib,
for no reason whatsoever?) may or may not have been in the script (I
have no idea why you'd WRITE that). I dunno if it was intended to be
the film it ended up and nobody noticed that this was a BAD idea, or if
the director decided to go wacky, or maybe there was a meddling art
director that got too much power and screwed stuff up, like the guy
who's responsible for all the crapfestation that infected the various
Irwin Allen shows the minute Irwin's attention turned to the next
project. The guy that wrote it had next to no credentials but
apparently knew George Pal. The director ... should have known better,
but did a lot of stuff I wanted to like during his career, but pretty
much nothing I actually DID like.
Doc Savage killed George Pal's career. (It hadn't been doing so well
before then, either.) Pal's next project was Time Machine II, a
confused continuation of the original Rod Taylor film. All we have of
it are a few concept sketches and a novelization of the proposed
screenplay. It's so poor that I'm thinking Pal was depending on favors
(such as friends writing screenplays and novelizations for him on the
cuff) at the end.
The Time Machine II novelization did finally answer the question of
which three books George had brought with him at the end of the
original film. They were practical books on agriculture and mechanics
and so on. (I remember my mom saying one of them would be the Bible.
Nope. The Eloi dodged that bullet.)
The TM2 book was apparently co-written by the Doc Savage screenplay
author. Doesn't make me want to run out and buy it. :) Yes, I'd have
bet on the Bible too, especially after the end of When Worlds Collide ...
--
"Please, I can't die, I've never kissed an Asian woman!"
Shego on "Shat My Dad Says"
Professor Bubba
2011-08-05 21:20:48 UTC
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I've NEVER figured out what the heck they were trying to do with Doc
Savage. It's like they tried to give him the Batman 1966 treatment, a
decade too late. It's hard to tell where it went wrong, too, because
the major stupid stuff (the villain's henchman sleeps in a giant crib,
for no reason whatsoever?) may or may not have been in the script (I
have no idea why you'd WRITE that). I dunno if it was intended to be
the film it ended up and nobody noticed that this was a BAD idea, or if
the director decided to go wacky, or maybe there was a meddling art
director that got too much power and screwed stuff up, like the guy
who's responsible for all the crapfestation that infected the various
Irwin Allen shows the minute Irwin's attention turned to the next
project. The guy that wrote it had next to no credentials but
apparently knew George Pal. The director ... should have known better,
but did a lot of stuff I wanted to like during his career, but pretty
much nothing I actually DID like.
Doc Savage killed George Pal's career. (It hadn't been doing so well
before then, either.) Pal's next project was Time Machine II, a
confused continuation of the original Rod Taylor film. All we have of
it are a few concept sketches and a novelization of the proposed
screenplay. It's so poor that I'm thinking Pal was depending on favors
(such as friends writing screenplays and novelizations for him on the
cuff) at the end.
The Time Machine II novelization did finally answer the question of
which three books George had brought with him at the end of the
original film. They were practical books on agriculture and mechanics
and so on. (I remember my mom saying one of them would be the Bible.
Nope. The Eloi dodged that bullet.)
The TM2 book was apparently co-written by the Doc Savage screenplay
author. Doesn't make me want to run out and buy it. :) Yes, I'd have
bet on the Bible too, especially after the end of When Worlds Collide ...
"Lo and behold, I give unto thee this painting ... "
Anim8rFSK
2011-08-06 01:24:54 UTC
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I've NEVER figured out what the heck they were trying to do with Doc
Savage. It's like they tried to give him the Batman 1966 treatment, a
decade too late. It's hard to tell where it went wrong, too, because
the major stupid stuff (the villain's henchman sleeps in a giant crib,
for no reason whatsoever?) may or may not have been in the script (I
have no idea why you'd WRITE that). I dunno if it was intended to be
the film it ended up and nobody noticed that this was a BAD idea, or if
the director decided to go wacky, or maybe there was a meddling art
director that got too much power and screwed stuff up, like the guy
who's responsible for all the crapfestation that infected the various
Irwin Allen shows the minute Irwin's attention turned to the next
project. The guy that wrote it had next to no credentials but
apparently knew George Pal. The director ... should have known better,
but did a lot of stuff I wanted to like during his career, but pretty
much nothing I actually DID like.
Doc Savage killed George Pal's career. (It hadn't been doing so well
before then, either.) Pal's next project was Time Machine II, a
confused continuation of the original Rod Taylor film. All we have of
it are a few concept sketches and a novelization of the proposed
screenplay. It's so poor that I'm thinking Pal was depending on favors
(such as friends writing screenplays and novelizations for him on the
cuff) at the end.
The Time Machine II novelization did finally answer the question of
which three books George had brought with him at the end of the
original film. They were practical books on agriculture and mechanics
and so on. (I remember my mom saying one of them would be the Bible.
Nope. The Eloi dodged that bullet.)
The TM2 book was apparently co-written by the Doc Savage screenplay
author. Doesn't make me want to run out and buy it. :) Yes, I'd have
bet on the Bible too, especially after the end of When Worlds Collide ...
"Lo and behold, I give unto thee this painting ... "
WWC story. Apparently that painting wasn't intended to be the final
shot. It's just an inspirational painting for them to build a model
based on, but some ijiot producer said 'nah, this is good enough as it
is, scrap the model' and wackiness ensued.

I've known producers that stupid. My only doubt about the story is that
there's another obvious painting earlier on of a helicopter view of
devistation (my viewing accomplice said "I wouldn't land on that
painting") ...
--
"Please, I can't die, I've never kissed an Asian woman!"
Shego on "Shat My Dad Says"
Chuck
2011-08-06 03:48:36 UTC
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Post by Anim8rFSK
I've NEVER figured out what the heck they were trying to do with Doc
Savage. It's like they tried to give him the Batman 1966 treatment, a
decade too late. It's hard to tell where it went wrong, too, because
the major stupid stuff (the villain's henchman sleeps in a giant crib,
for no reason whatsoever?) may or may not have been in the script (I
have no idea why you'd WRITE that). I dunno if it was intended to be
the film it ended up and nobody noticed that this was a BAD idea, or if
the director decided to go wacky, or maybe there was a meddling art
director that got too much power and screwed stuff up, like the guy
who's responsible for all the crapfestation that infected the various
Irwin Allen shows the minute Irwin's attention turned to the next
project. The guy that wrote it had next to no credentials but
apparently knew George Pal. The director ... should have known better,
but did a lot of stuff I wanted to like during his career, but pretty
much nothing I actually DID like.
The villain in the Doc novel Repel, Cadwiller Olden, sleeps in a crib. Just
like the green snakes were from The Mystic Mullah. Seems like one novel
wasn't good enough for them and they took ideas from a number of them.
Seems silly on screen but Dent did write it.

Chuck
Anim8rFSK
2011-08-06 12:29:07 UTC
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Post by Anim8rFSK
I've NEVER figured out what the heck they were trying to do with Doc
Savage. It's like they tried to give him the Batman 1966 treatment, a
decade too late. It's hard to tell where it went wrong, too, because
the major stupid stuff (the villain's henchman sleeps in a giant crib,
for no reason whatsoever?) may or may not have been in the script (I
have no idea why you'd WRITE that). I dunno if it was intended to be
the film it ended up and nobody noticed that this was a BAD idea, or if
the director decided to go wacky, or maybe there was a meddling art
director that got too much power and screwed stuff up, like the guy
who's responsible for all the crapfestation that infected the various
Irwin Allen shows the minute Irwin's attention turned to the next
project. The guy that wrote it had next to no credentials but
apparently knew George Pal. The director ... should have known better,
but did a lot of stuff I wanted to like during his career, but pretty
much nothing I actually DID like.
The villain in the Doc novel Repel, Cadwiller Olden, sleeps in a crib. Just
like the green snakes were from The Mystic Mullah. Seems like one novel
wasn't good enough for them and they took ideas from a number of them.
Seems silly on screen but Dent did write it.
Chuck
Ah. Wasn't the Repel villain a deadly dwarf? At least I can see a
dwarf fitting in a crib. :)

What an odd thing to pull from 181 supersages though ...
--
"Please, I can't die, I've never kissed an Asian woman!"
Shego on "Shat My Dad Says"
Arthur Lipscomb
2011-08-06 14:59:53 UTC
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Post by Anim8rFSK
I've NEVER figured out what the heck they were trying to do with Doc
Savage. It's like they tried to give him the Batman 1966 treatment, a
decade too late. It's hard to tell where it went wrong, too, because
the major stupid stuff (the villain's henchman sleeps in a giant crib,
for no reason whatsoever?) may or may not have been in the script (I
have no idea why you'd WRITE that). I dunno if it was intended to be
the film it ended up and nobody noticed that this was a BAD idea, or if
the director decided to go wacky, or maybe there was a meddling art
director that got too much power and screwed stuff up, like the guy
who's responsible for all the crapfestation that infected the various
Irwin Allen shows the minute Irwin's attention turned to the next
project. The guy that wrote it had next to no credentials but
apparently knew George Pal. The director ... should have known better,
but did a lot of stuff I wanted to like during his career, but pretty
much nothing I actually DID like.
The villain in the Doc novel Repel, Cadwiller Olden, sleeps in a crib. Just
like the green snakes were from The Mystic Mullah. Seems like one novel
wasn't good enough for them and they took ideas from a number of them.
Seems silly on screen but Dent did write it.
Chuck
Ah. Wasn't the Repel villain a deadly dwarf? At least I can see a
dwarf fitting in a crib. :)
What an odd thing to pull from 181 supersages though ...
It probably stuck in the reader's mind. It stuck your mind. A lot of
times when I'm watching a movie or TV show I might notice something
obscure or otherwise tangential to the plot and head over to imdb or
google it to learn more and I'll find that others noticed or commenting
on the same thing. If the movie was released today there would probably
be lots of comments about the crib on imdb and others pointing out it
was in the novel. There might be comments there now about it.

IMDB is also good for pointing out references you might have missed
(especially if you're going to see a movie a second time). I thought I
caught the numerous references in Rise of Planet of the Apes to the
original movie. Someone pointed out one I missed, a map of the
forbidden zone.
Anim8rFSK
2011-08-07 16:40:46 UTC
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I've NEVER figured out what the heck they were trying to do with Doc
Savage. It's like they tried to give him the Batman 1966 treatment, a
decade too late. It's hard to tell where it went wrong, too, because
the major stupid stuff (the villain's henchman sleeps in a giant crib,
for no reason whatsoever?) may or may not have been in the script (I
have no idea why you'd WRITE that). I dunno if it was intended to be
the film it ended up and nobody noticed that this was a BAD idea, or if
the director decided to go wacky, or maybe there was a meddling art
director that got too much power and screwed stuff up, like the guy
who's responsible for all the crapfestation that infected the various
Irwin Allen shows the minute Irwin's attention turned to the next
project. The guy that wrote it had next to no credentials but
apparently knew George Pal. The director ... should have known better,
but did a lot of stuff I wanted to like during his career, but pretty
much nothing I actually DID like.
The villain in the Doc novel Repel, Cadwiller Olden, sleeps in a crib.
Just
like the green snakes were from The Mystic Mullah. Seems like one novel
wasn't good enough for them and they took ideas from a number of them.
Seems silly on screen but Dent did write it.
Chuck
Ah. Wasn't the Repel villain a deadly dwarf? At least I can see a
dwarf fitting in a crib. :)
What an odd thing to pull from 181 supersages though ...
It probably stuck in the reader's mind. It stuck your mind. A lot of
times when I'm watching a movie or TV show I might notice something
obscure or otherwise tangential to the plot and head over to imdb or
google it to learn more and I'll find that others noticed or commenting
on the same thing. If the movie was released today there would probably
be lots of comments about the crib on imdb and others pointing out it
was in the novel. There might be comments there now about it.
Yeah. I can see the Fortress of Solitude and the Crime College being
shown; as much as I hate the current overuse of the word (for which I
blame Hollywood Treasure) they're pretty iconic. And the snakes. I
guess we're lucky they didn't toss in a werewolf. But just because
something sticks in your mind doesn't mean it's a GOOD idea! :)
--
"Please, I can't die, I've never kissed an Asian woman!"
Shego on "Shat My Dad Says"
Dave
2011-08-10 11:44:16 UTC
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 I
guess we're lucky they didn't toss in a werewolf.  
AND THERE WAS NO WEREWOLF! One of the biggest teaser rip-offs ever,
there's DOC fighting a werewolf on th eBantam cover, and there's NO
FRICKIN' WEREWOLF!

Dave
Anim8rFSK
2011-08-10 14:55:02 UTC
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 I
guess we're lucky they didn't toss in a werewolf.  
AND THERE WAS NO WEREWOLF! One of the biggest teaser rip-offs ever,
there's DOC fighting a werewolf on th eBantam cover, and there's NO
FRICKIN' WEREWOLF!
Dave
Yep! And it wasn't even a Bama cover. But there was Pat, and it was my
first, and I forgive them.
--
"Please, I can't die, I've never kissed an Asian woman!"
Shego on "Shat My Dad Says"
Chuck
2011-08-07 03:50:50 UTC
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I've NEVER figured out what the heck they were trying to do with Doc
Savage. It's like they tried to give him the Batman 1966 treatment, a
decade too late. It's hard to tell where it went wrong, too, because
the major stupid stuff (the villain's henchman sleeps in a giant crib,
for no reason whatsoever?) may or may not have been in the script (I
have no idea why you'd WRITE that). I dunno if it was intended to be
the film it ended up and nobody noticed that this was a BAD idea, or if
the director decided to go wacky, or maybe there was a meddling art
director that got too much power and screwed stuff up, like the guy
who's responsible for all the crapfestation that infected the various
Irwin Allen shows the minute Irwin's attention turned to the next
project. The guy that wrote it had next to no credentials but
apparently knew George Pal. The director ... should have known better,
but did a lot of stuff I wanted to like during his career, but pretty
much nothing I actually DID like.
The villain in the Doc novel Repel, Cadwiller Olden, sleeps in a crib.
Just
like the green snakes were from The Mystic Mullah. Seems like one novel
wasn't good enough for them and they took ideas from a number of them.
Seems silly on screen but Dent did write it.
Chuck
Ah. Wasn't the Repel villain a deadly dwarf? At least I can see a
dwarf fitting in a crib. :)
What an odd thing to pull from 181 supersages though ...
I do agree with that.

Chuck
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